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+16Bob Holada Ludovic Tiengou Jonatan Acerclinth Juha Bos Richard Coxon Ben Paulet Jacob Fredriksson Dana Schurer François Remmen Jukka Närhi Michael Drechsler Martin Lacina Alberto Ibañez Pascal Mikula Jason White Jason Fitch 20 posters |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 27 Jun 2016 - 14:00 | |
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Bob Holada Club Driver
Number of posts : 119 Age : 73 Location : Fort Wayne, Indiana Registration date : 2016-05-17
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Fri 8 Jul 2016 - 19:56 | |
| Can you imagine taking your turbo beast to a road course.(I know a few of you have tried) In reality it did happen. In 1974-1976 USAC and SCCA merged for the SCCA F5000 series. As far as I know, any current ChampCar could have been raced with the F5000 gang. I remember this because I saw it happen. 1974 Road America F5000 had three Champ Cars in the field. Some of the details I’ve picked up from the internet, my memory isn’t that good. John Martin in a McLaren 16B/offy, Tom Sneva in a 73 kingfish/Offy and Dick Simon in an 72 eagle/Ford-Foyt. What I do remember was that these cars looked very out of place. The drivers were completely out of the gas through the corners and when they did get back on the gas the cars would sputter and sound very poorly. The internet shows that Simon didn’t start, Sneva lasted one lap and Martin lasted nine laps. Also this may have been the only race where there were documented USAC entries. The next time HSO does a F5000 series I think the 73USAC cars should be eligible. Bob Holada | |
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Dana Schurer Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 357 Age : 36 Location : Portland, OR, USA Registration date : 2015-04-19
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Fri 8 Jul 2016 - 20:14 | |
| Interesting! I didn't know Offys ran in F5000 more than once. Stats from that race here. The only other reported instance with more than one USAC car in a field was when Lloyd Ruby and Billy Scott brought Eagle/Offys to the 1974 Ontario round and also didn't get much out of the experience. Bobby Unser's participation in the 1974 Riverside Grand Prix was the only one I knew of before today and, other than a second place in qualifying, the only positive result was some good pictures. | |
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David Sabre Racing Legend
Number of posts : 5340 Age : 60 Location : england Registration date : 2012-02-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Fri 8 Jul 2016 - 20:28 | |
| There's a bit here in this road america book. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GKppBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=formula+5000+kingfish&source=bl&ots=8NwCr-TCiT&sig=be2zEG-eKCO8tGFiZ-nKYh4b3co&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUjM2pzOTNAhXJIsAKHfIcBuwQ6AEIVjAL#v=onepage&q=formula%205000%20kingfish&f=false | |
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Jason Fitch Pro Driver
Number of posts : 664 Age : 44 Location : Frankfort, IN Registration date : 2015-04-18
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Sat 9 Jul 2016 - 3:23 | |
| While we're on the subject of Odd Couples racing let's take a look at the oddest couple.... Ladies and Gentlemen, the 1981 Van Scoy diamond Mines 500 from Pocono I'll post the story when I don't have a certain 8 year old breathing over my shoulder distracting me! | |
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Sky Willis Club Driver
Number of posts : 188 Age : 36 Location : Wales Registration date : 2016-07-02
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Sat 9 Jul 2016 - 9:33 | |
| i was in a sort of recreation of that on iracing a while ago. we used their weird boxy silver crown that didn't get used for long in real life and the lotus 79. there wasn't many of us, but it was a pretty fun combination. maybe not for real life i don't know. pretty scary having lotuses passing you around the outside in every turn | |
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Jason Fitch Pro Driver
Number of posts : 664 Age : 44 Location : Frankfort, IN Registration date : 2015-04-18
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Sat 9 Jul 2016 - 10:25 | |
| Alright the 1981 Van Scoy Diamond Mines 500.
In 1981 IndyCar was still reeling from it's first "Split" in 1979 that saw the formation of CART.
In 1980 USAC and CART agreed to Co-Sanction the races, however USAC pulled out after that seasons Mid-Ohio Race. For the 1981 season, USAC envisioned a series like the old days to be run on Dirt and Pavement, that began and ended at the Indy 500. Thus the Gold Crown was born, a 6 race championship held on paved and dirt tracks. However they ran into a snag after the 1981 Indy 500. The next race for both USAC and CART was June 21. USAC at Pocono and CART at Atlanta. CART forbade it's teams from competing at the Pocono race. So USAC was looking at a very small field of cars, so to add numbers they invited the Silver Crown cars to run. This produced some interesting sites, such as Silver Crown cars passing IndyCars in the turns only to be driven by like they were standing still on the straights. There was also some interesting rules adaptations. Silver Crown drivers were required to shut their cars off and get out of them during pit stops that involved refueling, leading to some crazyness on pit road with push trucks getting the Silver Crown cars back out on track.
In all 29 drivers took the Green, 21 Indy and 8 Silver Crown cars competing. The race Red Flagged and called after 122 laps due to rain with A.J. Foyt taking the win. This would be his Last IndyCar win as a driver.
BTW: for those wondering, when the race was called at Lap 122, the highest placed Silver Crown car was Mark Alderson in 11th. He was 18 laps down.
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Alberto Ibañez Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16788 Age : 121 Location : International Simracing Organisation Registration date : 2010-09-17
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 11 Jul 2016 - 11:10 | |
| - Dana Schurer wrote:
- Interesting! I didn't know Offys ran in F5000 more than once. Stats from that race here. The only other reported instance with more than one USAC car in a field was when Lloyd Ruby and Billy Scott brought Eagle/Offys to the 1974 Ontario round and also didn't get much out of the experience.
Bobby Unser's participation in the 1974 Riverside Grand Prix was the only one I knew of before today and, other than a second place in qualifying, the only positive result was some good pictures. The USAC cars were oval racers, but there was nothing in their design limiting them to that kind of track (Asymmetrical suspension or the like, and 74 onwards they still had room in the sidepods for a second fuel tank on the right). Some attempts of using them at road tracks were made, as you point out, but their engine with huge turbo lag was suited mostly for open, fast ones. At Riverside Bobby had tecnical problems, but when the car worked he basically destroyed the F5000s (According to Philippe DeLespinay, who was present that day) in the straights and went much quicker overall. At Laguna Seca or Lime Rock I doubt much that would have been the case. In any case, Gurney was so sure his car matched the F1 of the time, he even put his money where his mouth was. The challenge sadly never happened. http://allamericanracers.com/challenge-to-a-duel-f1-vs-indy/ We have periodically toyed with the idea of recreating it for rFactor, and also enabling the USAC cars to be driven in HSO's F5000 mod for the Elkhart Lake race you pointed out, but so far we haven't had enough time for that. Maybe later it will happen, I also would like to know what could happen | |
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Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Tue 12 Jul 2016 - 20:44 | |
| 1973 Kingfish history
http://www.oldracingcars.com/kingfish/73/ | |
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Jacob Fredriksson Racing Legend
Number of posts : 1047 Age : 34 Location : Sweden Registration date : 2014-01-15
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Tue 12 Jul 2016 - 21:51 | |
| Amazing longevity for those cars! Can't believe it was any competitive in 1983 though. | |
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Jason Fitch Pro Driver
Number of posts : 664 Age : 44 Location : Frankfort, IN Registration date : 2015-04-18
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 13 Jul 2016 - 3:05 | |
| Anyone have $145,000 in spare change laying around??
http://race-cars.com/carsales/other/1431116513/1431116513ss.htm
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Sky Willis Club Driver
Number of posts : 188 Age : 36 Location : Wales Registration date : 2016-07-02
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 13 Jul 2016 - 9:07 | |
| that car has been on there for quite a while | |
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Ludovic Tiengou Racing Legend
Number of posts : 2986 Age : 56 Location : Grenoble far away from Brittany, France Registration date : 2008-12-12
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 13 Jul 2016 - 10:15 | |
| - Jason Fitch wrote:
Anyone have $145,000 in spare change laying around??
http://race-cars.com/carsales/other/1431116513/1431116513ss.htm Had I that kind of money I'll buy another car to do some race. Ovals are quite rare in Europe | |
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Jason Fitch Pro Driver
Number of posts : 664 Age : 44 Location : Frankfort, IN Registration date : 2015-04-18
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 13 Jul 2016 - 16:54 | |
| - Sky Willis wrote:
- that car has been on there for quite a while
and some of the info in the listing is wrong as well. | |
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Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 28 Sep 2016 - 19:38 | |
| Photos from Ontario, 1973 Wally Dallenbach Johnny Rutherford Mario Andretti Peter Revson John Mahler Mario Andretti and Al Unser | |
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Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Wed 28 Sep 2016 - 19:56 | |
| Full radio broadcast of the 1973 California 500
http://www.mrn.com/Media-Center/Video.aspx?id=86d61688-34d6-4e4e-8663-637a7b23300a
Race starts at 12 minutes, 20 seconds | |
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Scott Urick Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 228 Age : 58 Location : Ohio Registration date : 2015-04-17
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Fri 30 Sep 2016 - 6:01 | |
| - Jason White wrote:
- Photos from Ontario, 1973
Scott and Alberto Fixed. | |
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Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 10 Oct 2016 - 14:10 | |
| Mario looks like Elvis in this pic | |
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Alberto Ibañez Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16788 Age : 121 Location : International Simracing Organisation Registration date : 2010-09-17
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 10 Oct 2016 - 14:42 | |
| And big Al looks as if not having been able to go to the WC in a week | |
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Michael Drechsler Pro Driver
Number of posts : 671 Age : 46 Location : Aachen, Germany Registration date : 2016-03-11
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Richard Coxon Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16590 Age : 36 Location : Sheffield, England Registration date : 2012-06-29
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 10 Oct 2016 - 19:22 | |
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Jason White Racing Legend
Number of posts : 14725 Age : 47 Location : Ferndale, MI USA Registration date : 2011-12-25
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 10 Oct 2016 - 19:27 | |
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Richard Coxon Racing Legend
Number of posts : 16590 Age : 36 Location : Sheffield, England Registration date : 2012-06-29
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Mon 10 Oct 2016 - 19:52 | |
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Scott Urick Experienced Driver
Number of posts : 228 Age : 58 Location : Ohio Registration date : 2015-04-17
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Tue 11 Oct 2016 - 5:21 | |
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Jason Fitch Pro Driver
Number of posts : 664 Age : 44 Location : Frankfort, IN Registration date : 2015-04-18
| Subject: Re: 1973 USAC National Championship - History Tue 11 Oct 2016 - 21:36 | |
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