Round 3 - 1967 Gran Premio d'Italia [rF2 | February 23]

François Violet wrote:

@Frank en fait c'est Bruce MacLaren qui utilise le V12 BRM et qui se classe second de Monza en 67 et s'est bien Jackie Stewart , Mike Spence avec Chris Irwin qui pilote le H16 pour BRM.

Don't know what you source is but it suspiciously looks like wikipedia which should never be trusted as far as motor racing history is concerned. Jack Brabham finished second at Monza '67. Bruce McLaren qualified on the front row but broke the engine in the race.

For reliable F1 results use Forix (paying), the French StatsF1, Quintin Cloud's F1 Results page, or Darren Galpin's GEL Motorsport page .

Christian Dauger wrote:

V12 very closed it looks like!
admission between the camshafts ... rather rare it seems to me, I never saw before

C'est la version P101 celui qui a couru avec Mc Laren a Monza en 67.



@Mike Becnel : Strike !! bien lancé a 280 km/h !!

@Frank;  Bruce McLaren troisième en qualification

Christian Dauger wrote:

V12 very closed it looks like!
admission between the camshafts ... rather rare it seems to me, I never saw before

60 degrees I think ? Pretty common for V12s, at least racing ones. Ferrari, Maserati, OSCA, Honda and probably others had such engines.

François Violet wrote:

C'est la version P101 celui qui a couru avec Mc Laren a Monza en 67.

Yes right, but P101 is just the first version of P142, like P56 and P60 for the V8 .

Frank Verplanken wrote:

Christian Dauger wrote:

V12 very closed it looks like!
admission between the camshafts ... rather rare it seems to me, I never saw before

60 degrees I think ? Pretty common for V12s, at least racing ones. Ferrari, Maserati, OSCA, Honda and probably others had such engines.

yes Frank, okay for the opening, but I rarely saw this intake between the camshafts ... well, I am far from knowing all the mechanical specifics of this era ...

Race server launched, with 1-hour practice before qualifying to warm you all up .

Great way to start. Suddenly the thing was undriveable, felt like GPL on 1998, when no computer was able to run it. Tried everything, changing video options, multiplayer, single player, different mods, all the same, until the note died on me... great , a brand new machine bought just to be able to race with rF2. When about to give up dumb me found out the note was unplugged, running on battery.
Wel lost lots of time but at least know the problem
When was going tpo join again the game decided I had to download the track and the mod again!!!
Looks like I will start ftom the pits...

Man, I do miss GPL

You can try with another car if it helps, either your other team car or Filippo's car as he is absent.

My apologies to those I have embarrassed during the first round ...
My race was however prepared, including with the full of gasoline ...
In addition, since the start of the session I had a lot of lag ... but, no excuse it's my fault.
The rest of the race spoiled by another output track, irreparable...

22 Laps.
3 mistakes braking into Parabolica going wide.
Lost it second Lesmo under throttle...couldn t safe the car and the catchfencing claimed the front right tyre........... :-(

Sorry @ Sōichirō Honda for that embarrassing race

Made 3 mistakes on my own (one because of that crazy brake-behaviour) and when entering the pits i tried to remove tirechange from servcie, not recognizing my car pulls to the right - hitting the pit-building ....

Car would be good enough for P4...

Matthias Weber wrote:

Sorry @ Sōichirō Honda for that embarrassing race

KKKKK.

Sorry for Yannick, not sure what happened at your side, was afraid you hadnt seen me besides you, and that looks like the case. I bent the suspension a little but was able to keep going.

Was having tons of fun, but something happened, much probably tiredness, more than the sliding chair, and lost contact to Gerard and had Gio dangerously close to me. Gio kept me straight most of the race, making my race a hot lap competition. After 40 laps I was confortable was going to finish in the points, getting slowly closer to Velasco, and dreaming of maybe a podium finish, had enough fuel for the finish and was wondering if some guys ahead would have to pit.

Then suddenly the view was switched to outside the car.
Driving with the VR occulus I have no chance to reach the keyboard and push insert, and blindly punching the keyboard somehow got back to GPL F10 view. Drove half a lap this way, but was too slow and with no mirrors, decided to stop in the grass, remove the occulus and got the in car view back, but on this process hit a tree and lose a wheel and engine...
3 races, 2 DNF due to technical problems...

But it was fun

grats to 1st and 2nd

and realy want to THX to some (one) lapped car, in some cases it look like want fight for pos and change line before parabolica, losed plenty of seconds and destroyed my well calculatec tactics with pit stop

can figt for 2nd in finish

and Vadim didn help too as he made some mistakes at Paraboloca and as i let him bye 2 or 3 times so nice 10s lost

so main aim beat team mate didn happen

shame i can not find stream from todays race

Michal Janak wrote:

shame i can not find stream from todays race

Timo was traveling today and could not announce the race.

Race results + replay and Gold Star standings updated . Sorry it took so long, there is something wrong with the game generated files, I had to do it all manually .

The rear wheels never passed the front wheels so this counts as a successful race! Only scare I had was I drifted into the marbles at the parabolica letting a leader pass and went off road for about half the curve. Gerard was able to catch me and Jan almost caught me.

These cars do not like the reverse slope on any turn!

Mon objectif était de finir la course et de rouler le plus propre possible, mais trop lent pour rentrer dans les points , ensuite j'ai embarqué trop d'essence mauvais calcule de ma part .

Je n'ai pas vu le replay , mais il semble qu'il y a un pilote qui sort a cause d'un freinage trop violent et qui abandonne , j'espère que ce n'est pas de ma faute car il arrive très vite derrière moi .

Bravo a tous ! je pense avoir un tour en retard en trop pour rentrer dans les point dommage.

Michal Janak wrote:

grats to 1st and 2nd

and realy want to THX to some (one) lapped car, in some cases it look like want fight for pos and change line before parabolica, losed plenty of seconds and destroyed my well calculatec tactics with pit stop

can figt for 2nd in finish

and Vadim didn help too as he made some mistakes at Paraboloca and as i let him bye 2 or 3 times so nice 10s lost

so main aim beat team mate didn happen

...I was not in one of the lapped cars, but to be honest...your tactics was not calculated well if you do not calculate with lapped cars. There are people in these cars also, so you should behave a little bit different. It looks that you complain regulary about the lapped drivers, so you better prepare yourself psychologicaly before the race, that there might be drivers slower than you. You will never have a race driving in top car on higher possitions and have no lapped drivers. btw. you finished 3rd, isn´t it better to enjoy the result than complaining?

And complaining that driver who fought with you for position made a mistakes?

Happy to finish my first 'race' in HSO. But for me it wasn't a race it was survival.
As a wings-and slicks-guy I find driving the 1967 Shitboxes unenjoyable, but important to finish.
Fourth and lapped three times, I knew with the Brabham I did not have the pace, so drove all week on full tanks to prep for the race and not worry about qualy. Paid off.

Congrats to the aliens on the podium! Awesome driving.

On another note:
Some aliens were complaining about backmarkers... and the moaned that they lost 1.3 seconds lapping one guy.

Well here's for the Aliens: every time you lap me I lose 2-3 seconds trying to get out of your way - and I am sure my fellow gentlemen driver lose similar time every time you come past. So please, and with respect, shut up and drive.

Sorry Frank & Steve for the near misses when being lapped but you came on to me so fast, the blue flag so late, I nearly panicked trying to get out of your way...

In closing the blue flags come out far too late. They should show at least 5-10 seconds earlier.

Thank you for all who organised the race. I (love)hate these GPL era cars but HSO rocks. Bring on the next one!

I have to agree with Karel 110%
As mentioned in my earlier post the complaining about backmarkers is uncalled for in this league. I am new to it but I only see clean driving.
Info for Aliens: Lapped guys lose 2-3 seconds getting out of the way of the fast guys!
Maybe we can find a mod that makes backmarkers invisible? So you can drive straight through us?

Karel Marciniszyn wrote:

Michal Janak wrote:

grats to 1st and 2nd
and realy want to THX to some (one) lapped car, in some cases it look like want fight for pos and change line before parabolica, losed plenty of seconds and destroyed my well calculatec tactics with pit stop can figt for 2nd in finish
and Vadim didn help too as he made some mistakes at Paraboloca and as i let him bye 2 or 3 times so nice 10s lost

so main aim beat team mate didn happen

   
...I was not in one of the lapped cars, but to be honest...your tactics was not calculated well if you do not calculate with lapped cars. There are people in these cars also, so you should behave a little bit different. It looks that you complain regulary about the lapped drivers, so you better prepare yourself psychologicaly before the race, that there might be drivers slower than you. You will never have a race driving in top car on higher possitions and have no lapped drivers. btw. you finished 3rd, isn´t it better to enjoy the result than complaining?

And complaining that driver who fought with you for position made a mistakes?  

Thank you HSO for that great race, these 67 cars are absolutely amazing to drive.

My view of race:

I am idiot!

Honza Mild wrote:

Thank you HSO for that great race, these 67 cars are absolutely amazing to drive.

My view of race:

I am idiot!  

#metoo

That was a nice night of racing . The mod is pretty a'ight overall, without any major flaws as far as I can tell. The physics are more than satisfying, it's probably the rF2 historic mod with the most distinct physics between cars. So often on rF2 it seems all the cars of a given mod have the same basic physics with just specs (weight and engine mostly) altering the handling of the cars. With this one each car really has its own feel, very much like it was in the 1979 F1 mod of rFactor 1 for instance.

We could definitely use that mod for a full season as it is, although a couple of tracks are missing. We would also need a few more entries, so that would imply a bit of modding to add a few 1967 entrants. But anyway, more Gold Star events with the mod will happen in 2020, and it is fair to say it is a strong candidate for a full season in 2021 .

My race was really enjoyable while it lasted. I had not tried the car on full tanks, so only did a quick fast one in qualy before devoting most of the session to adapting my Q setup for the race and learning the car with full fuel load.

I was anticipating a nice fight with the Ferraris and while Michal on half tanks ran away, Steve was right there with me in the first part of the race. I managed to slingshot past Steve in the main straight, but at the Parabolica at the end of the same lap my car snaked heavily under braking and I almost ran into Steve. I let Steve through to make amends, but was following him comfortably and was ready to continue the cat and mouse game until the closing stages of the race.

But then I caught a few bad breaks in traffic and Steve got a 5-second gap. Later a microfreeze almost sent me out in Parabolica and the gap went up to 12 seconds. Finally, while about to lap François I was surprised by his manoeuvre at Lesmo 1, jumped on the brakes, spun and made an offering of one magnesium wheel to Santa Madonna Armco . Too bad as Michal's pitstop would have put me halfway between the two Ferraris which would have made for an interesting end of race.

Can't say I was too impressed by your start by the way Michal. Being on the outside of the row on his circuit, going inside/left when you take off is nowhere near what we mean by prudence at the start...

Likewise some traffic situations could have been handled better, although I'm ready to put a lot of those on rF2's handling of blue flags or some of us not being too familiar with the mod yet.

Grats to all finishers

@Franck désolé, drapeaux bleu , je vois ta voiture loin et d'un coup très prêt, j'ai eu un réflex sûrement inapproprié car l impression que tu allais me rentrer dedans à plein charge...c'etait donc toi qui a visiter le paysage , désolé surtout que dans l ensemble j ai vraiment fait attention aux copains.