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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Tue 7 Mar 2017 - 19:57

David Jundt wrote:

But can I use RealFeel and LeoFFB for both F1 '91 and CART '88 the same way? I mean, the CART mod has no RealFeel option in the upgrades.

Closest thing to that is to turn off the canned effects, by keeping ffb settings at "low" in game menu.?

Leo tuner is outside the game. You can make changes without exiting rfactor. Just minimize
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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Tue 7 Mar 2017 - 22:21

Brian Janik wrote:
David Jundt wrote:

But can I use RealFeel and LeoFFB for both F1 '91 and CART '88 the same way? I mean, the CART mod has no RealFeel option in the upgrades.

Closest thing to that is to turn off the canned effects, by keeping ffb settings at "low" in game menu.?

Leo tuner is outside the game. You can make changes without exiting rfactor. Just minimize

Or you can run a modified controller.ini that sets all canned effects to 0 and isolates the forces to only those that realfeel needs.

On a side not as well, once you install LeoFFBTuner I then copy that folder and paste it into each install I use it in. You can then setup a Leo's for only that dedicated install instead of having to keep changing where to look. So first install I did was install to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Leo's FFB Tuner\". This is my reference install and I never use it, its just the home. Next I go to an install, create a "LeoFFB Tuner" folder in there and copy from my reference install the files
Leo's FFB Tuner.exe
Leo's FFB Tuner.ini
modsDB.lft
Now when you run it it asks where the rfactor.exe is. Choose the relative directory. I have one in my '91 install, this '88 install, my '78 & '79 installs. Keeps things nice and clean. I also delete all entries in the database not releated to that mod.


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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Tue 7 Mar 2017 - 22:22

The three courses are now rotating on the test server. You can advance to the next track via voting.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Tue 7 Mar 2017 - 22:24

I'm enjoying the Porsche, surprisingly. I'm aware of the car's history but I think I can make it work.
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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Tue 7 Mar 2017 - 22:31

Michael Drechsler wrote:
That's actually not so much the problem, its more getting braking points an corner entry speeds right. Bit to slow, and you feel like it it could go so much faster, a bit to much and your going in a whole different direction. It feels like the cars fall pretty fast out of the window if you push it a little to hard. Not like they want to kill you, but they make their point clear if its to much Smile

Welcome to the world of the (properly simulated) ground effects cars. What you feel is exactly that -the quicker you go, the more it sticks ... until it breaks the limit, which is when it gets hairy affraid 


An F1 driver of the era (Can't remember right now who it was) said that about the ground effect cars, that he always had the feeling he could go a bit quicker still. Until you hit the wall and realize no, that wasn't the case Laughing .

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Wed 8 Mar 2017 - 8:24

Congratulation to all of you who contributed to this mod! I am usually very demanding and picky regarding mods, but this one quickly became my new mistress! Smile I always love CART98 and this one is probably even more interesting as I always like to dive deeper into history. The older the car, the nearer to my heart and driving style. I only tried few laps around Milwaukee and it looks and feels great. I am looking forward to try it on a road course!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Wed 8 Mar 2017 - 12:14

Yes, running around Milwaukee online is fun despite my driving skills, will work on that. Love the older Indy mods, this 88' is good, but really like the 70's era cars most.
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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 13:48

Jacob Fredriksson wrote:

My wheel is set at 900 degrees rotation, and I use about 25 degrees steering lock.

What was the real wheel rotation value on road/oval tracks?

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 15:51

Steering wheel rotation in these cars was usually 540º in all cases. What changed was the relation, so the ovals had way more precission and the wheels didn't turn that much.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 17:08

Alberto Ibañez wrote:
Steering wheel rotation in these cars was usually 540º in all cases. What changed was the relation, so the ovals had way more precission and the wheels didn't turn that much.


That is really soo much.. didnt expected that..
Ill try to simulate and get used to that numbers!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 17:19

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The steering on a Champ Car is extremely tight and precise. In a normal car you may have to turn the wheel two to three times to go from one end of the steering's range to the other (this is often referred to as "lock-to-lock"). In a Champ Car, the total range that a driver uses on the track is only about 180 degrees. The slightest change in the steering wheel has a big effect on the direction of the car. It feels extremely touchy to a person who has never driven a Champ Car before.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/champ-car7.htm

The USAC73 cars used in real life 720º, but the more modern cars progressively decreased that in favour of more direct steering. I believe that by the year 2000 the Lola champcar (spec series) used only 360º, though electrically assisted.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 17:54

I am using 320° rotation with lock 17 - 20 most of the time. With higher rotation comes less steering lock I believe?


Before I dive into LeoFFBTuner and such, where can I find the most recent RF&Leo files? Is 0.9.3.8 still quite "new"?

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 18:19

Alberto Ibañez wrote:
Steering wheel rotation in these cars was usually 540º in all cases. What changed was the relation, so the ovals had way more precission and the wheels didn't turn that much.
Well if they had 540° back then, I'm pretty close with my 500° setting on my G27 Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 19:43

Personally I drive with 360º on my wheel and between 15º (road courses) and 11º (Big ovals) on game in the garage.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 22:30

David Jundt wrote:
I am using 320° rotation with lock 17 - 20 most of the time. With higher rotation comes less steering lock I believe?


Before I dive into LeoFFBTuner and such, where can I find the most recent RF&Leo files? Is 0.9.3.8 still quite "new"?

The most recent version of Leo's FFb is version 2.0, and I believe for realfeel ts version 0.9.3.8. From what I understand that with each release of realfeel that the strength of the force output gets a little less each time. I still use 0.9.3.6 as that's the version the Automobilista still uses, and I find it feels "right" to me. I believe I got the Leo plugin from Trippteam's site, are you familiar with that site?

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Thu 9 Mar 2017 - 23:38

Heard of that site before I believe...

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Fri 10 Mar 2017 - 0:17

Well, with the 88' cars tried a lot of different degrees of rotation with my G27, so far the default 200 degrees feels best. any recommendations I'm listening. (or reading actually). Edit: just noticed..Why the black wheels on the Penskes in the road config ?, they were chrome in oval and road configurations.
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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Fri 10 Mar 2017 - 15:46

Those who haven't caught it on Facebook yet, I found a new liking in drawing, especially race cars. Starting with the 1988 IndyCars of course lol!

First one (Finished yesterday at school, Lol!):



Based on a testing session at Milwaukee with the March-Porsche when I (again) lost the rear end of the car Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Fri 10 Mar 2017 - 15:55

I'm betting you are the car frikkie in your class. My son is in his :D

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Fri 10 Mar 2017 - 15:56

Alberto Ibañez wrote:
I'm betting you are the car frikkie in your class. My son is in his :D

Haha yeah! :D

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Sun 12 Mar 2017 - 20:42

I did a fresh instalation of rf and i have inside only two mods Virtua_LM and CART 88 but now im not able to switch from Viru_LM to CART. When i select the mod CART88 rfactor crash and the screen jump into Windows. Do you. I can swich to any other ISI mod but only problem is with CART. Can you advise how to deal with it?

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Sun 12 Mar 2017 - 20:44

Two separate installs. We recommend one rFactor lite for each mod.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Sun 12 Mar 2017 - 20:56

Well, and if i have steam version so how i can install more separate install of rfactor?

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Sun 12 Mar 2017 - 20:57

Sorry, i didn't realise you were on steam.

I'm not sure to be honest, perhaps someone else who runs steam may be able to help.

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PostSubject: Re: 1988 CART - Pre-season Testing   Sun 12 Mar 2017 - 22:22

Is the pre-season server gone for good now?
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