Round 1 - BRDC Euro Race Day - Silverstone National [April 15th]

I am sorry Alessio, but no, i didn't oversteered, i understeered a bit into the hairpin, but stilli was accelerating cleanly, and the line was clearly mine.

I think the following shot shows quite well who was driving into who.





You had the pace to win the class easily, or at least to make me sweat for the last 3 laps, and instead, you tried to pass where there was no space.


This is the last post i will make on this matter, thank you all for a wonderfull grid, and see  you all next time

Same here Alan....hang in there......Fine for me too, if anything, no need to throw yourself off track every time a lapping car gets close.....(eg into last right hander before chicane.....I think, if you had stayed on track when I was coming, you would have still been ahead for the chicane, and because it is akward to pass there, you would be entitled to hold your line out of chicane, then it is upto those behind to pass to the right upto turn 1. They can easily out brake you.......and if there is a pack behind, then continue taking the outside line for t1.) (????)

Most important think is to be predictable, trying to keep sight of lappers.

I find it good practice to drive with AI, though some may say I need to do more of that

Unfortunately, it is ineveitable you get it wrong sometimes, and you will get grief......(I have had plenty, and mostly deservedly so) It is a big learning curve

Well, the first thing I wanted is to apologize if at some point in the career i have harmed someone .
Today I ran under a lot of tension, at the last minute i've seen the topic of the tires and i have been caught by surprise without time to try, the truth that he did not have any setup , nor references for the hard compound tires, by what i was going with a car very unstable and very lost with regard to references .
I will ask my most sincere apologies


Bueno , lo primero que quería es pedir disculpas si en algún momento de la carrera he perjudicado a alguien .
Hoy he corrido bajo mucha tensión , a ultima hora he visto el tema de los neumáticos y me ha pillado por sorpresa sin tiempo para probar, la verdad que no tenia ningún setup , ni tampoco referencias para los neumáticos duros, por lo que iba con un coche muy inestable y muy perdido respecto a referencias .
Vuelvo a pedir mis mas sinceras disculpas

Frank Verplanken wrote:

C'est pas très grave je pense que les deux versions ont les mêmes perfs de toutes façons

J'espère que non (mais je pense que oui !) car, autant la Rondeau était bien réglée et agréable à conduire avec les pneus qualifs, autant elle est pataude et revêche avec les hards, et j'ai horreur d'avoir une caisse mal réglée, même lente !
Mais attention, je ne parle là que d'agrément, de confort et de plaisir de conduite, pas de chronomètre ! Car je suis complètement d'accord de ne pas utiliser les qualifs lors des courses. De toute façon, après avoir fait du gymkhana pour passer dans le bazar du premier virage, je me suis bien amusé à essayer (en vain) de rattraper JF.

Jose Berenguer wrote:

Well, the first thing I wanted is to apologize if at some point in the career i have harmed someone .
Today I ran under a lot of tension, at the last minute i've seen the topic of the tires and i have been caught by surprise without time to try, the truth that he did not have any setup , nor references for the hard compound tires, by what i was going with a car very unstable and very lost with regard to references .
I will ask my most sincere apologies

Now I can understand, why you drove like that.
Last year I was in the same situation with the DRM 2.0 mod in a championship at TPS.
I know how it is, when you try to keep the pace with the front runners, but that pace is too fast and you're over your limits. But thats a dangerous driving. You have to settle down and find a stable pace for yourself.
Otherwise you gonna get involved in situations like these. And you will ruin others race.
Driving fast with an unstable car is not a safe strategy, especially on a "longer" race.
I saw on the replay, that your brake distances were super short, which is not a problem, only when you do it with locked up wheels.    

I accept your apologies. No worries.
But next time, please drive more carefully and try to avoid any contact with these cars.

Another thing is, that these are long range race cars with super light chassis and super sensitive suspension. They are not produced for BTCC style battles.
We can't drive these things the way, like we do it in the TCL mod. If we do it, someone's race will end quickly.
We have to drive these cars calmly, we have to wait for the best opportunity to pass someone.

Btw, I think the race distance was a bit short...imo. We should do longer stints.
In a 30 lap race people have to drive like "now or never" style. And these cars are not too strong to survive a race like this....like I said before. We should do longer stints.
In a longer race, people drive in a different way (I think). They have time to pass someone safely, they don't have to rush.
That's why we see less contact in endurance races.
We should do at least 1 hour long races.
But this is only just my opinion.

The race distance we had yesterday is what they did in the real BRDC C2 championship, this race was a short one yes, but the next events are all about double the length of this one.

Richard Coxon wrote:

The race distance we had yesterday is what they did in the real BRDC C2 championship, this race was a short one yes, but the next events are all about double the length of this one.

That sounds good

Now I just have to find free seats for the following rounds.

Great field and it looked like a great race, crap now I want to race

Bravo Martin, il commence à gagner, il ira loin ce petit

Yup, not a bad field!



Too bad Richard had his disco, and Ricard his troubles near the end, or we could have had an 8-way battle for the lead!

Hello
This was my first race in HSO and i have a very fun race.
My car have not a very powerfull engine and i can´t atack in the main straight, then i have tried to have a constant speed without mistake but it was very dificult with as a lot of traffic. Finally I was 5º overall so I´m very satisfied.
I am grateful because the HSO competitors were a gentlemen and very clean and sports.
Well, Berenguer was very aggressive and hit my car several times causing me a spinning top on one occasion but there´s no problem. He´s spanish like me and I accept his apologies.
Congratulations to the organization podium and to the class winners
Thanks a lot to HSO comunity
I´ll be in the next event.

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I know how it is, when you try to keep the pace with the front runners, but that pace is too fast and you're over your limits. But thats a dangerous driving. You have to settle down and find a stable pace for yourself.

The problem for Jose was that he had learned the braking and turn entry points with soft tires and he had no time to practice to learn the new ones with the hard tires. That is a complicated situation because you either brake too late and run into someone else, or brake too early and you get rammed from behind. And it is impossible to learn that well and quickly in traffic, because the references are constantly changing when a car is braking in front of you. You can adapt to that if you already have a reference, but not if you don't have already one. It must have been hell for him, but probably after some incidents he should have moved aside and get clean track to learn the new references before attacking again.

En español:

El problema para Jose es que se había aprendido los puntos de frenada y entrada a la curva con neumáticos blandos, y no tuvo tiempo de practicar y aprender los nuevos con los duros. Esa es una situación complicada porque o te pasas frenando tarde y chocas con alguien, o frenas demasiado pronto y te embisten por detrás. Y es imposible aprender eso bien y rápido conduciendo con tráfico porque las referencias están cambiando constantemente cuando un coche frena delante tuyo. Puedes adaptarte a eso si ya tienes una referencia, pero no si no tienes ya una. Debe haber sido un infierno para él, pero probablemente tras algunos inicdentes debería haberse apartado para tener pista libre y aprender las nuevas referencias antes de atacar otra vez.

Soooo good to race the Little Mazda again after the long wait from Sebring, May not have been massively fast but the car was a joy to drive and nice to have so many others to play with. Already looking forward to the next one

Alberto Ibañez wrote:

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I know how it is, when you try to keep the pace with the front runners, but that pace is too fast and you're over your limits. But thats a dangerous driving. You have to settle down and find a stable pace for yourself.

It must have been hell for him, but probably after some incidents he should have moved aside and get clean track to learn the new references before attacking again.

Many of us had the same problem with the tires, because the rule accepted in the last moments.
So everyone had the same amount of time to learn the hard tires before the race started.
It was difficult for me aswell. That's why I kept a safe distance behind Ricard and Francois. And that's why I made overtakes only at safe parts of the track.
Driving on the limit is okay, when you already put hundreds of laps into a setup.
But its not okay, when you're driving a car with a completly different setup. The chance of doing some mistake is really high.
This is the situation, when you have to find a safe pace and let go the faster drivers. Like you said.
Anyway, its over now. Hopefully everyone learned from this.

here my load of pictures:

Nice pictures Dylan

Love the first one

Nice pics Dylan

bonne soirée
étrange circuit mais ces voitures étaient une belle découverte, j'étais lent, j'ai mis du temps à m'y faire mais au final c'était très bien, quelques bagarres, plusieurs évitements de crashs (dont Ben à 4 tours de la fin) et une bonne position finale!
Pour la prochaine, j'essayerai tout de même de comprendre comment fonctionne la voiture.

Merci HSO

 place for the first time with a mod and organisation i love and also belongs at
Didnt expect to end this race so well with very good drivers around here , usualy it's p5  
pretyy hairy at lap 18 - 20 with the storming rondeau's behind us and backmarkers   sometimes they against and sometimes you realy can use them in youre advantage wich i think was last night
very good close racing with the pack in front but i think  didn't snatch that win if the Alba A3 spun in front of me
well thats racing!


Usefull info but lately i feel its not worth writing all this cause  nobody bother
anyway last try
was suprised when qualify was at dawn , these tracks are not suited for that
in scn the skyboxi Instance = CLOUDS wich means the 24h skies (if they in the mas) will NOT switch only when its named Instance=Sky the times are ok in the gdb ( at noon ) so this means the server can run race time as Track Default

Noticed this track is a old version from 7up jordan his outstanding Silverstone but think we ran version 1.4 ( from 90s trackpack)
i check the latest version which is now v1.92 and this season we come back at this track  like to ask to use this latest version, the most accurate silvertone in graphhic and driving no doubt in rfactor
it has improved textures better and most important it has ALL layouts to run group c from 1980 till 1990
the layout we drove last night is also updated

https://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Silverstone%201987%20-%201990
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ycqh4uee8e5w4io/Silverstone+1987+-+1990+v1_925.rar

check the screeny and compare( not saying they better as above but its looks, well , judge youre self)

just only a hudson sky i put in

Well you are indeed right, there is a more updated version it seems?

Alberto Ibañez wrote:

That pic reminds me,

could you please guys in the future use the miniatures to post images? When you get several pics on the same page, it takes longer to load and also affects the proportions etc. You can also use the "spoiler" feature that hides them. Thanks for your understanding

Ok, i'll think about it

We used this version Francois because the version you suggested, Didn't have any cones or anything stopping drivers from cutting the last chicane

roger that

well its a tiny and easy task for me in the future
just give me a call if you want something changed unless its aiw stuff

Richard Wilks wrote:

I am sorry Alessio, but no, i didn't oversteered, i understeered a bit into the hairpin, but stilli was accelerating cleanly, and the line was clearly mine.

This is the last post i will make on this matter, thank you all for a wonderfull grid, and see  you all next time

I apologise for the incident, when I first looked at the replay I watched from the swingman camera and it looked like you had squared the corner off and ran into me but from this picture it looks like that camera was deceptive and I had misread the footage, sorry for ruining ours (and mostly yours) races Hopefully I will repay you at the next rounds with a cleaner fight, we seem to have similar pace so we likely will meet again in a less dramatic way I hope

The qualifications were at dawn because we forgot to change it since our test race in Sebring

It will be fixed next time

Same for the reco laps by the way.

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Nice race for me, I struggled to find my pace in the beginning but after that it was great fun. I couldn't do much against the Mazda of Alessio when I was third because of the lack of top speed of my Lola, so I tried to kept the pressure on him, that's all I could do. But he ran away in the end. I took the lead when the two Mazda bumped each other 3 laps before the finish line.

After that I "just" had to avoid mistakes, especially in the first turn and in the hairpin, as Alessio would have pass me easily on the straight.

First win for the season for me, but I have the feeling that I did nothing to get it, just in the right place in the right time

Congrats to the winners and all finishers